Ryan Wilson: Sharks provide a sober reality check for Penguins Sharks provide a sober reality check for Penguins

I don't see any mention of Jack Johnson... this is not the real RW. We have an imposter.

I don't see any mention of Jack Johnson... this is not the real RW. We have an imposter.
- Guile

This one focused on GMJR bashing which in a roundabout way is JJ bashing.

I don’t think Duchene is a Torts-type player. I can see him stifling his game.

This one focused on GMJR bashing which in a roundabout way is JJ bashing.
- Feds91Stammer

Well, hes not wrong that JR has (frank)ed up the last 2 offseasons.

Well, hes not wrong that JR has (frank)ed up the last 2 offseasons.
- Guile

RW is usually on point with his criticisms

I don’t think Duchene is a Torts-type player. I can see him stifling his game.
- Rinosaur

Are any skilled players Torts-type guys?

Are any skilled players Torts-type guys?
- Feds91Stammer

Panarin seems to have found a way, but I think he’s an aberration.

Panarin seems to have found a way, but I think he’s an aberration.
- Rinosaur

He is an actual elite scorer so he gets a pass. Not many of those guys.

Speaking as a Hawks fan I realize that all good things eventually come to an end. Looks like the Pens may be joining the Hawks as a middling team. At least both clubs each have 3 cups over the last decade.

Good luck to both teams going forward.

This is where being a 100% advanced stats guy has it's faults.

Ryan made incorrect statements and used a stat that doesn't show the full picture.

I agree the Sharks drove play more than us and were the better team and deserved to win.

But in opening this article, Ryan says that the Pens generated nothing and had no chances. They didn't have a ton, but that statement is false. He is using shot attempt graphs to make his point. Anyone who actually watched the game instead of just reviewing the stats, would have seen that we did in fact have some real good chances and should have had at least 1 or 2 goals. Especially late in the 2nd period. The problem was that when we had good opportunities, we weren't getting a shot or shot attempt off. We kept trying to make and extra pass for the fancy goal. I recall one example where Kessel came flying in through the slot and instead of shooting he stopped infront of the goalie and tried to make a spin o rama pass across crease to ZAR. I also remember Malkin and Cullen both getting sprung on breakaways and then having the puck bounce on them before they got a shot off.

We had a good number of chances, not as many as we need to win games, but there was some offensive opportunity.

I believe in advanced stats being a huge and useful tool, but you have to balance out those numbers with real life observation, you can't 100% depend on them like Ryan Wilson does.

Speaking as a Hawks fan I realize that all good things eventually come to an end. Looks like the Pens may be joining the Hawks as a middling team. At least both clubs each have 3 cups over the last decade.

Good luck to both teams going forward.
- boilermaker100

Give us 2 more years of struggling before we join you

This is where being a 100% advanced stats guy has it's faults.

Ryan made incorrect statements and used a stat that doesn't show the full picture.

I agree the Sharks drove play more than us and were the better team and deserved to win.

But in opening this article, Ryan says that the Pens generated nothing and had no chances. They didn't have a ton, but that statement is false. He is using shot attempt graphs to make his point. Anyone who actually watched the game instead of just reviewing the stats, would have seen that we did in fact have some real good chances and should have had at least 1 or 2 goals. Especially late in the 2nd period. The problem was that when we had good opportunities, we weren't getting a shot or shot attempt off. We kept trying to make and extra pass for the fancy goal. I recall one example where Kessel came flying in through the slot and instead of shooting he stopped infront of the goalie and tried to make a spin o rama pass across crease to ZAR. I also remember Malkin and Cullen both getting sprung on breakaways and then having the puck bounce on them before they got a shot off.

We had a good number of chances, not as many as we need to win games, but there was some offensive opportunity.

I believe in advanced stats being a huge and useful tool, but you have to balance out those numbers with real life observation, you can't 100% depend on them like Ryan Wilson does.
- bochangs

If there isn't even an attempted shot on net how can it be considered a chance? You can't score just from being near the net with the puck.

Edit: I agree they had chances, those two examples were missed opportunities at chances.

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Believe the full trade is: Abramov, Davidsson and a 1st RD pick for Duchene and Bergman. And a conditional 1st RD pick if Matt Duchene signs with Columbus

This is where being a 100% advanced stats guy has it's faults.

Ryan made incorrect statements and used a stat that doesn't show the full picture.

I agree the Sharks drove play more than us and were the better team and deserved to win.

But in opening this article, Ryan says that the Pens generated nothing and had no chances. They didn't have a ton, but that statement is false. He is using shot attempt graphs to make his point. Anyone who actually watched the game instead of just reviewing the stats, would have seen that we did in fact have some real good chances and should have had at least 1 or 2 goals. Especially late in the 2nd period. The problem was that when we had good opportunities, we weren't getting a shot or shot attempt off. We kept trying to make and extra pass for the fancy goal. I recall one example where Kessel came flying in through the slot and instead of shooting he stopped infront of the goalie and tried to make a spin o rama pass across crease to ZAR. I also remember Malkin and Cullen both getting sprung on breakaways and then having the puck bounce on them before they got a shot off.

We had a good number of chances, not as many as we need to win games, but there was some offensive opportunity.

I believe in advanced stats being a huge and useful tool, but you have to balance out those numbers with real life observation, you can't 100% depend on them like Ryan Wilson does.
- bochangs

That's where stats come from, meticulous tracking of real life observations. If you say "well that one was so close" you might as well say the same thing about any particular shot from the other team. There is def work to be done for tracking shot value, but the heat maps are currently the best way to illustrate that with the data collected.

I wish GMJR and Ownership could take a sobering look at this season (they won't)

Not winning a cup this year, Too many other good teams, Leafs, Bolts, Bruins, Jackets... Pens not winning 4 outta 7 against these 4....Nevermind the Caps or Isles... Too may holes in this lineup

Don't give up the 1st for Zucarello - He isn't going to move the needle... I'm not sure anyone else is either, at least not a guy we can realistically afford

Is there a market for Hornqvist or Kessel? - Explore it - I'm not even passionate about the return, just want to move the money and the term/age of the players

Try to dump Pearson on anybody

Is Bjugstad a valuable piece we need going forward? Not sure I'm seeing the value here. I keep him if I can move Horn

Mainly, try to move guys for YOUNG assets and open up cap for this summer. I'd move Horn or Bjugstad, Pearson and even Kessel for youth and replace them by over paying for Stone, Duchene, etc in the offseason

Feels like we're just chasing the dragon at this point and throwing good money after bad. Feels a lot like the Hawks and Kings when their window was closing and they wouldn't acknowledge it

I have to think the Duchene trade will force JR to make a more serious move than someone like Simmonds or Chiasson.

I have to think the Duchene trade will force JR to make a more serious move than someone like Simmonds or Chiasson.
- Rinosaur

Probably force him to do something stupid - Good thing we don't really have the assets...

INB4 - GMJR trades 2019, 2020, 2021 1st for Mark Stone @ 50% retained

Can't afford to resign on offseason

Pens make playoffs, lose to Lightning in 5

I wish GMJR and Ownership could take a sobering look at this season (they won't)

Not winning a cup this year, Too many other good teams, Leafs, Bolts, Bruins, Jackets... Pens not winning 4 outta 7 against these 4....Nevermind the Caps or Isles... Too may holes in this lineup

Don't give up the 1st for Zucarello - He isn't going to move the needle... I'm not sure anyone else is either, at least not a guy we can realistically afford

Is there a market for Hornqvist or Kessel? - Explore it - I'm not even passionate about the return, just want to move the money and the term/age of the players

Try to dump Pearson on anybody

Is Bjugstad a valuable piece we need going forward? Not sure I'm seeing the value here. I keep him if I can move Horn

Mainly, try to move guys for YOUNG assets and open up cap for this summer. I'd move Horn or Bjugstad, Pearson and even Kessel for youth and replace them by over paying for Stone, Duchene, etc in the offseason

Feels like we're just chasing the dragon at this point and throwing good money after bad. Feels a lot like the Hawks and Kings when their window was closing and they wouldn't acknowledge it
- RoloTahmasee

If you are suggesting a re-tool, I think Pearson gets burried here in that situation. You'd have to pay to get someone to take that contract. The Kings ended up winning this trade, they turned him into a 3rd rounder, I doubt the Pens can do the same.

I have to think the Duchene trade will force JR to make a more serious move than someone like Simmonds or Chiasson.
- Rinosaur

Or he'll think that Simmonds/Chiasson is a serious move and totally overpay for them, which I think is firmly in the realm of possibility given his recent player evaluation.

At least Mario and Burkle aren't getting busted in Prostitution Stings.....Robert Kraft

Or he'll think that Simmonds/Chiasson is a serious move and totally overpay for them, which I think is firmly in the realm of possibility given his recent player evaluation.
- Victoro311

I hate that you’re probably right.

If you are suggesting a re-tool, I think Pearson gets burried here in that situation. You'd have to pay to get someone to take that contract. The Kings ended up winning this trade, they turned him into a 3rd rounder, I doubt the Pens can do the same.
- eNDSo

I'm just looking for ways to free up cash for this summer, I'd throw in a mid pick to move that money

In Hindsight

WE should have traded Hags for the picks - We'd have an extra 3rd right now

WE should have traded Brass for Picks, - We'd probably have a 2nd and 3rd

WE should never have signed JJ - 3.25 of CAP wasted

WE should have just rode out Hunwick and traded Sheary for a mid pick if we didn't really want him long term

WE should look at trading Kessel ASAP

But, really, I just want the 8 million in capspace we wasted in Bjugstad and Pearson..... and the 3.25 on Jack and the 6.8 on Kessel.....

I'd rather have 18 million in Cap than those 2

Give Duchene 8 and Stone 9.5, sign a couple of league minimum vets and we've spent the same $$$

At least Mario and Burkle aren't getting busted in Prostitution Stings.....Robert Kraft
- sammy87

C'mon... If I was Robert Kraft (or any old Millionaire/Billionaire) I'd be drowning in whores.... admit it, so would you and all of us

I'd rather do nothing than get Chiasson